As an example the Holy Spirit is a person and not the wind blowing. Lentz agreed but cautioned that we can hijack words like ‘faith’ and ‘Holy Spirit’ and make them ambiguous. Oprah talked about the Holy Spirit as Divine Energy and said she used both terms. But the Holy Spirit is continuing His work to transform their lives. We have no idea what they are dealing with. We are all heading in the same direction in God but it may take some longer.ĭon’t despise people because they aren’t at the same stage in their journey as we are. Some are dealing with emotional issues, addictions, and others aren’t. People are facing different issues in their lives. It is not dependent on your background, how you dress or what you did Saturday night.Įvery person’s journey is different. Lentz talked about religion not being a bad thing, but that the word did have a bad connotation. This was salvation and both Lentz and Oprah agreed that “Jesus was the way, the truth and the life” (John 14:6). A rescue takes place and God’s grace takes over.” There is a moment when your repentance matters. Jesus is God, the atonement and salvation. When Oprah asked who Jesus was? Lentz answered: Lentz agreed that it was about people knowing who Jesus was and what He did for them. In her opinion, Hillsong Church was not “your grandmother’s church” and that it was not about ‘religion’ but a relationship with God. When the church split, she watched her Sunday School teachers walk out of the church. Oprah shared her experience growing up in a church where love was preached but there was no trust among the congregation. Yet, some people still have a problem with Bieber declaring his faith when his life isn’t completely straightened out. I imagine this would have instilled hope in Bieber knowing that God cared about him as a ‘work in progress.’įor Lentz we are all on a faith journey and some of us are at different stages. Lentz describes baptism being an outward sign of what God is doing inwardly in a person’s life. Baptism showed his desire to start fresh and begin pulling himself out of the mire, even though he still had a lot more to deal with. Lentz is proud of Justin Bieber wanting to be baptized in the middle of everything he was going through at the time. Lentz along with Judah Smith, Justin’s pastor, baptized the pop star late one night in a friend’s seven-foot bathtub. Justin Bieber’s baptism s a great example of what Lentz is talking about. He firmly believes our faith involves a journey. His message is about God being interested in us as a work in progress. Speaking of his church Lentz states, “we’re a cool church preaching an ancient message” and his mission is to transform the way people experience God. New York’s Hillsong Church is known for its passionate worship that draws people from all genres, particularly the younger generation. He sometimes preaches in night clubs and theaters. Lentz is often referred to as the ‘rock star pastor’ with a ‘come as you are’ approach. Recently Oprah Winfrey interviewed Carl Lentz, the popular and well-known pastor of Hillsong Church in New York City. Carl Lentz during his interview with Oprah.
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